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« on: February 24, 2008, 07:17:26 PM »

Hi Guys,

I wanted to see if anyone has ever used mixed rails for their layouts?

I was wondering which rails would go with Tillig Elite rails, I'd like to get more diversity in my turnouts for my train yard and was looking at Fleishmann or Roco Geoline, would they work?

Thanks for the advice!
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2008, 01:00:34 AM »

My layout will be Fleischmann in the shadow levels and Roco LINE (not GEO LINE) in the visible areas. The Fleischmann Profi track is easy to lay and quick to change. Only drawback is that the Profi track is rather noisy, so I decided to place a non-slip rubberized material underneath the track.

 The Roco LINE is the best track for my skill set and availability of time. Roco LINE is probably the newest system since they had to re-engineer their program after the buyout (patent issues). IMO they have done some really nice things to make the laying of flex-track and wiring of the turnouts (polarized frogs) a lot easier and quicker. I also like the large radii R9 and R10 which I will use extensively. Curved turnouts between R5 & R6 and R9 & R10 are a bonus too.

 Before coming to a conclusion I compared track items from Trix, Roco LINE & GEO LINE, Fleischmann Profi, Atlas 100 & 83, Tillig Elite, Walthers Code 83 (Shinohara). I bought a few items of each system and played with them, so everything you read here is first-hand experience.

Hope this helped a little.


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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2008, 10:43:15 AM »

Thanks for this advice! Is Fleischmann (or GEO LINE for that matter) then also Code 83?
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 06:36:11 PM »

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Is Fleischmann (or GEO LINE for that matter) then also Code 83?

No, it needn't be. You will use special rail joiners where the different profiles meet. You may even solder the two together. As long as you place the joint on a straight you should be OK.

Coming back to your original post, I am confused as to why you want to use Roco GEO LINE. I thought Tillig had a pretty complete program of turnouts. The reason you would want to use Roco GEO LINE or any track with roadbed is to speed up construction. That's why I use Fleischmann Profi in the invisible areas. Roco GEO LINE would have been a good choice for me too. I like their embedded DCC turnout machines but didn't care for the rather wide track separation of 76.5 mm though (FP: 63.5mm).

I would have used Tillig myself, if it wasn't for the extra time it takes to lay the track and make the turnouts work. With Roco LINE you have the choice of slow motion under table turnout machines (realistic but labor intensive) or snap machines which are also pre-wired to control the electro frog.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 09:55:06 PM »

I saw some pictures of the Tillig elite turnouts and they just are so beautiful that I was sold, though a local hobby shop strongly recommended against and in favour of Peco track instead.

Tillig doesn't have a 3-way turnout though which I was advised might make my train yard a bit more interesting and indeed more realistic, so that was why I was exploring different product lines.

Would be happy to have your insight on whether that train yard which I've completed (see in Track Plans) really does need extra work or not...

Kim
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 04:13:14 AM »

Tillig HO Elite is gorgeous, no doubt. But unless you are willing to spend the next 10 years building your layout I think they may be overkill. My philosophy is to have all aspects of my layout on the same 80% level. Call me an 80% guy. The remaining 20% are for folks that are retired and there is nothing wrong with that.

As far as your layout goes, you are fortunate to have a large dedicated room for it. I am no expert in layout but I would suggest to sign up with Model Railroader Magazine http://www.trains.com/mrr/. It will give you access to a library of hundreds of track plans. I found that the Americans have a unique way of solving their space problems.

You may also want to add the benchwork into your plan, to see wether you will run into access problems. I had to tear down my previous layout because it just wasn't workable. Make a 3D drawing (google "Sketchup") of the room including bench work. Look here http://www.anyrail.com/forum_en/tips_and_tricks/room_dimensions_and_work_bench-t16.0.html for more.

I am not familiar with Peco, but I hear they are first class. Walthers Code 83 (Shinohara) is very good quality too and they even make a double crossover ("Hosenträger"). It may be hard to get in Europe though.

One more note on noise. You cannot underestimate the amount of noise that all pre-ballasted track makes. Model track on cork roadbed is so much quieter. All my locos are DCC and have sound. When I run them on Fleischmann Profi I can barely hear the sound effects. I now wish I had used Roco LINE exclusively. Oh well.

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 10:56:05 AM »

I think based on my skills level I am probably looking towards that kind of timeline anyway! Smiley
It's tough to tell whether I will be using the rooms alloted to me, they're currently in the annex of a farmhouse and would need some serious rehabilitation before they could really be used for model railroading. That said, I am looking to by an apartment with my partner and got an agreement that I can have a large space for my trains - so I might very well have to deal with a very different room if things work that way.

Can I ask you what makes Tillig Elite rail so much more difficult to handle than say Peco or GeoLINE?
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 04:31:12 AM »

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Can I ask you what makes Tillig Elite rail so much more difficult to handle than say Peco or GeoLINE?

You know that Roco LINE and GeoLINE are two different systems? Because you keep talking about GeoLINE, which isn't really a factor in this discussion.

Tillig and Geo LINE are on different ends of the spectrum. GeoLINE like C-Gleis is pre-ballasted and has internal room for DCC turnout machines. Tillig Elite you have to ballast, wire the turnouts to polarize the frog, install an undertable turnout machine,connect the frog to the turnout machine, which in turn would have to be connected to a static decoder.

I guess the same would apply for Peco as well.

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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 02:36:45 PM »

Aaah, gotcha (on the difference between Geo Line and simply Line)!

Yeah I'd want to do the ballasting myself, much more realistic result!
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