Help with connection points on my Kato N Scale track plan

[LDL]

[jevansoh]

Thank you so much!!!

[jevansoh]

This one isn't showing me the colored sections or the isolators, though.

Is there any way to merge the two together so I have one cohesive plan I can print out at scale and model after?

Sorry to be a pain.

If not, no worries and I'll improvise somehow.

THANK YOU!!!!

[LDL]

The isolators are there.  Click a piece of track, Create Section, and select a color.

[LDL]

Notes on JMR 38 sections R12:

I centered the double crossover roughly a train-length from either end of the branchline.  I think it's a better place operationally as well as eliminating two short blocks/sections associated with gaps at the bridge.

Orange feeder wires (Layer 38 Feeders) must go at that particular joint so turnouts are fed from the points.  Blue feeders have some flexibility.

Unitrack components are packaged in groups/bundles.  The list of materials shows everything you would buy.  Unused pieces are on the Leftovers layer.  Don't buy any R718-15; one is included with each EP718 turnout.

The package of four R481-15's can be eliminated if the rear track on the rear shelf can be even closer to the wall.  Using leftover R718-15's puts the rear centerline 15.42mm from the wall as opposed to 23.5mm using R481-15.  IMO, buy the R481-15's and keep the extra clearance. 

Some straight track can be relocated if desired.  The arrangement below gets the trains away from the edge of the rear shelf but makes the branch look more like a third main.  You can do the same in the NE corner but I strongly feel that the 120-degree curve of the branch should be maintained.   

[jevansoh]

Notes on JMR 38 sections R12:

I centered the double crossover roughly a train-length from either end of the branchline.  I think it's a better place operationally as well as eliminating two short blocks/sections associated with gaps at the bridge.

Orange feeder wires (Layer 38 Feeders) must go at that particular joint so turnouts are fed from the points.  Blue feeders have some flexibility.

Unitrack components are packaged in groups/bundles.  The list of materials shows everything you would buy.  Unused pieces are on the Leftovers layer.  Don't buy any R718-15; one is included with each EP718 turnout.

The package of four R481-15's can be eliminated if the rear track on the rear shelf can be even closer to the wall.  Using leftover R718-15's puts the rear centerline 15.42mm from the wall as opposed to 23.5mm using R481-15.  IMO, buy the R481-15's and keep the extra clearance. 

Some straight track can be relocated if desired.  The arrangement below gets the trains away from the edge of the rear shelf but makes the branch look more like a third main.  You can do the same in the NE corner but I strongly feel that the 120-degree curve of the branch should be maintained.   

I don't care about having to purchase more track. That's not a problem.  I'd rather it look better in the long run and in the short run have to purchase a few more pieces of track, so thanks again.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about a few other things, though.

Let me gather my thoughts on those things and I'll make another post with detailed points about each item.

Thanks for bringing the colors back to the sections.  That had me confused lol.

--Jason

[jevansoh]

Notes on JMR 38 sections R12:

I centered the double crossover roughly a train-length from either end of the branchline.  I think it's a better place operationally as well as eliminating two short blocks/sections associated with gaps at the bridge.

Orange feeder wires (Layer 38 Feeders) must go at that particular joint so turnouts are fed from the points.  Blue feeders have some flexibility.

Unitrack components are packaged in groups/bundles.  The list of materials shows everything you would buy.  Unused pieces are on the Leftovers layer.  Don't buy any R718-15; one is included with each EP718 turnout.

The package of four R481-15's can be eliminated if the rear track on the rear shelf can be even closer to the wall.  Using leftover R718-15's puts the rear centerline 15.42mm from the wall as opposed to 23.5mm using R481-15.  IMO, buy the R481-15's and keep the extra clearance. 

Some straight track can be relocated if desired.  The arrangement below gets the trains away from the edge of the rear shelf but makes the branch look more like a third main.  You can do the same in the NE corner but I strongly feel that the 120-degree curve of the branch should be maintained.   

I'm not understanding the differences between "orange" and "blue" feeders.  I've only seen blue feeders, BTW.

Also, I'd prefer the track not be too close to the back wall as the curve going into the back wall won't be able to handle my very long 90' long passenger trains I'm afraid, so just an FYI there.

Thanks,

--Jason

[jevansoh]

Notes on JMR 38 sections R12:

I centered the double crossover roughly a train-length from either end of the branchline.  I think it's a better place operationally as well as eliminating two short blocks/sections associated with gaps at the bridge.

Orange feeder wires (Layer 38 Feeders) must go at that particular joint so turnouts are fed from the points.  Blue feeders have some flexibility.

Unitrack components are packaged in groups/bundles.  The list of materials shows everything you would buy.  Unused pieces are on the Leftovers layer.  Don't buy any R718-15; one is included with each EP718 turnout.

The package of four R481-15's can be eliminated if the rear track on the rear shelf can be even closer to the wall.  Using leftover R718-15's puts the rear centerline 15.42mm from the wall as opposed to 23.5mm using R481-15.  IMO, buy the R481-15's and keep the extra clearance. 

Some straight track can be relocated if desired.  The arrangement below gets the trains away from the edge of the rear shelf but makes the branch look more like a third main.  You can do the same in the NE corner but I strongly feel that the 120-degree curve of the branch should be maintained.   

Hi again,

Sorry for all the posts piling up again, but FYI, no other piece of track is included with the #6 turnouts.  I don't want to use any #4 turnouts and those DO have another piece of track included with them, BTW, but the #6's do NOT.  Just an FYI - So I will indeed need to buy those pieces of track, which is no big deal, but i have not had a chance to study the plan at length yet as I just saw the post a few minutes ago and am just now looking at it and want to make sure there are no number 4 turnouts on the plan as those cause derailments and are just terribly reviewed all over the internet so I want to stick with #6 at a minimum.

Thanks again,

--Jason

[LDL]

Home tab, List of Materials will confirm there are no #4 turnouts.

Turn Layer 38 Feeders on to see the three orange feeders.

[LDL]

no other piece of track is included with the #6 turnouts.

I've got to believe you, 'specially if you've purchased them! 

I was fooled by Kato's written descriptions, as they are the same for both turnouts:
The #4 turnouts are "with 481mm (19") Radius Curve".  The #6 is "with 718mm (28 1/4") Radius Curve". 
However, the #4 is pictured with supplemental pieces where the #6 stands alone.  https://katousa.com/n-unitrack-g-single/

"With" appears to mean "incorporated into the design" rather than "included".

[jevansoh]

no other piece of track is included with the #6 turnouts.

I've got to believe you, 'specially if you've purchased them! 

I was fooled by Kato's written descriptions, as they are the same for both turnouts:
The #4 turnouts are "with 481mm (19") Radius Curve".  The #6 is "with 718mm (28 1/4") Radius Curve". 
However, the #4 is pictured with supplemental pieces where the #6 stands alone.  https://katousa.com/n-unitrack-g-single/

"With" appears to mean "incorporated into the design" rather than "included".

LOL, thank you.

I want to give you an update.

We got all the track ran!

It all fit together PERFECTLY!

Thank you!

We did have to make some changes to some of the sections for use with iTrain though and can't seem to get rid of the labels you made.

How did you apply those?  They're kind of in the way and confusing me since I have to renumber them and was wondering if you could tell me how to remove them.

I'm going to make a post right after this with the final plan and would REALLY appreciate it if you'd take a look and make sure I have the isolators in the correct/acceptable positions, especially and mainly for the turnouts.

It'd mean a lot. 

Thanks again for all you've done.

Definitely couldn't have done this without your help.  No doubt.

--Jason

[jevansoh]

Hi LDL,

Can you take a look at my isolators and tell me if they're all in the correct/acceptable points especially for the turnouts now?

IF so, all I have to do is renumber (I cannot seem to get rid of your numbering though) them to my numbering plan and I'm ready to start wiring!!

Thanks again!

--Jason

[LDL]

No, no, no.

You have isolators at the points of turnouts. 

You have feeders at the frog ends of turnouts.

You show all legs of the double-crossovers as single sections.  Each double-crossover is 4 sections, each requiring a feeder.  Look online for how to wire the crossovers.

Why did you need to change the sections I had shown?

To remove the names, click the section and remove the name.

[jevansoh]

No, no, no.

You have isolators at the points of turnouts. 

You have feeders at the frog ends of turnouts.

You show all legs of the double-crossovers as single sections.  Each double-crossover is 4 sections, each requiring a feeder.  Look online for how to wire the crossovers.

Why did you need to change the sections I had shown?

To remove the names, click the section and remove the name.

I want to isolate every turnout on purpose for the program I'm using to automate everything.  It's called iTrain.  I need all the turnouts isolated, so I did that on purpose.  They will be their own block.

I realize the crossovers must be fed from all four sections in order to work, which is what I did.  How did I screw that up?  What did I do wrong there?  As long as they're fed from all four points, they should work as they'll be in their own block.

Feeders are at ALL ends of the turnouts except on a few where we are using two turnouts as one block but still, there are isolators on all ends of the turnouts (see above).

I'm clicking everywhere on your labeled numbers and cannot get them to select to be able to remove them.  Can you give me a more detailed example of how to remove one of the numbers please?

Thanks so much,

--Jason

[jevansoh]

No, no, no.

You have isolators at the points of turnouts. 

You have feeders at the frog ends of turnouts.

You show all legs of the double-crossovers as single sections.  Each double-crossover is 4 sections, each requiring a feeder.  Look online for how to wire the crossovers.

Why did you need to change the sections I had shown?

To remove the names, click the section and remove the name.

I want to isolate every turnout on purpose for the program I'm using to automate everything.  It's called iTrain.  I need all the turnouts isolated, so I did that on purpose.  They will be their own block.

I realize the crossovers must be fed from all four sections in order to work, which is what I did.  How did I screw that up?  What did I do wrong there?  As long as they're fed from all four points, they should work as they'll be in their own block.

Feeders are at ALL ends of the turnouts except on a few where we are using two turnouts as one block but still, there are isolators on all ends of the turnouts (see above).

I'm clicking everywhere on your labeled numbers and cannot get them to select to be able to remove them.  Can you give me a more detailed example of how to remove one of the numbers please?

Thanks so much,

--Jason

I figured out how to remove the names, at least.  Thanks!